Aerodynamic simulation

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Thomsn
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Post by Thomsn »

i was just playing around with an aerodynamic simulation where i put in the e for a first test at 100km/h:
https://youtu.be/S5IeJBNRuLM?si=osrCb8qK79YkaRU

100kmh.png

i dont have any results yet, but it looks pretty!

overall i think there is not much optimization possible, the factory drag coefficient of 0.27 is already really good.
i mainly want to find out how much effect lowering the car or changing the wheels can have on the efficiency.

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jonc
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Post by jonc »

Cool!
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Post by Trykpaa »

Looks like you need a much larger boundary box for the simulation to be representative. You need effectively infinite headspace to simulate airflow over the car.
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Post by E-vteclover »

Cool indeed
How do i read this?
Red is good and blue is bad?? Or the other way?
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Post by upsilon »

Thanks for sharing.

Drag coefficient of 0.27, is it declared by Honda or from this simulation? I thought it's higher, since they sacrificed this for its form and aesthetic.
Thomsn
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Post by Thomsn »

thanks for the feedback!

i found the official drag coefficient here

and i extended the bounding box upwards.

the colors are green for 100km/h wind, red is faster wind, and blue slower wind.


i made some further tests, especially a comparison of standard ride height, and 30mm lowered ride height:


depending on different settings, the simulation gives the 30mm lowered version 6-7% less drag, and 15-30% more downforce, which is quite a bit!

based on the cw of 0.27 and a frontal area of 2.5m i get an air resistance of 312.325Newtons.
at 100km/h, this are 8,673 kW spent on air resistance.
therefore, a reduction of 6% air resistance should save 0,520 kWh per 100km at 100km/h.
taking the average official highway-efficiency of 18,38kWh/100km, this would give you a range boost of 2,82%, so 4,38km extra.

i always wondered how much the ride height affects efficiency, so now this estimate is saying a little bit, but not a huge amount!
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Post by londiniumperson »

This is why F1 cars run as close to the ground as possible, subject to the regulations.
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Post by Trykpaa »

Look good and your result seems plausible compared to claims from other brands.

On top of the aerodynamic gain you can add a bit of drivetrain efficiency gain - less power at speed = lower losses in electrical, mechanical and rolling resistance. It always a positive (or negative) spiral effect on such changes 🤓
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Peter-E
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Post by Peter-E »

Thomsn wrote: Sun Mar 24, 2024 12:40 pm thanks for the feedback!

i found the official drag coefficient here
The drag coefficient in the linked article refers to the Fireblade motorcycle. The drag coefficient of the Honda e is not mentioned.
I've tried to find an official figure myself, but can't seem to find it. I could only find an estimated figure of 0.35 on the Automobile-Catalog website.
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Post by Reuben80 »

Peter-E wrote: Mon Mar 25, 2024 7:44 am
Thomsn wrote: Sun Mar 24, 2024 12:40 pm thanks for the feedback!

i found the official drag coefficient here
The drag coefficient in the linked article refers to the Fireblade motorcycle. The drag coefficient of the Honda e is not mentioned.
I've tried to find an official figure myself, but can't seem to find it. I could only find an estimated figure of 0.35 on the Automobile-Catalog website.
Once on an Italian car review channel I saw that they wrote 0.35 too, so it is more likely 0.35
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